Posts by Disillusioned JW

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Where did Christendom go? They HATED our bible in 1950...just read...

by oompa in

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the articles on the jw-cd which only go back to 1950 where we fought back the attacks.

i do not understand why they did not continue to blast our bible since it is such a fraud....down south in usa churches teach members how to refute dubs at their door.....but why did they stop blasting the nwt?

it is sooooooo easy to show a dub there is a bunch of made up crap in it.....i may have to help my local chruches.....if you need more info about the horrible fraud parts, feel free to pm me.........................oompa......even elders dont know

Disillusioned JW

Over the years I have come across multiple copies (some even brand new) of the NWT in the books section of local thrift stores; they are thus sold in some secondhand stores.

There are many very good qualities of the NWT, but my view is influenced by me having been raised by JW parents, with me as a child reading and studying from the 1961 and 1970 revisions of the NWT (and one study book quoting from some volumes of the 1950s NWT). At age 8 I enrolled in the theocratic ministry school and began giving Bible readings to the congregation. I later became baptized as a JW in the 1980s while a teenager and I later became a regular pioneer and a ministerial servant. [But I am now an ex-JW and an atheist.]

When I first picked up a KJV Bible and an ASV Bible (ones published by the WT which I ordered in the 1990s from the literature counter when I was the literature servant of my congregation) I found some of their archaic wording difficult to understand. Likewise, years earlier while in high school I found it extremely hard to understand the 'early modern English' language used in Shakespeare's plays. Previously (except maybe on very rare occasions) I had never read thee, thou, thine, didst, and other archaic words, and I had difficulty in figuring out precisely what they meant. As a result I greatly preferred the contemporary language of the NWT.

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Different versions of the NWT?

by HowTheBibleWasInvented in

having noted in the last 3 days a romour of a new revisal of the nwt etc i thought i would see if i have all the nwts in my collection:.

1. christian greek scriptures.

4. job- song of solomon.

Disillusioned JW

There were at least three editions of the Christian Greek Scriptures prior to 1952. There was a first edition of 1950, a Second Edition in 1950, and the Revised Edition of 1951.

In 1963 there was under one cover a compilation edition consisting of the 1951 Christian Greek Scriptures and the five Hebrew volumes, with revisions to some of the dates in the "Table of the Books of the Bible", and the exclusions of numerous maps and charts. Perhaps it also included other changes.

In 1985 there was a revision of the Kingdom Interlinear, incorporating the scripture text of the 1984 Christian Greek Scriptures, and having revisions to the Foreword of the earlier Kingdom Interlinear.

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New York Times article on first release of NWT

by cabasilas in

i just discovered a clipping from an old new york times article on the release of the first nwt volume.

it was tucked inside a nwt volume i purchased on ebay.

i thought it interesting and made a pdf of it.

Disillusioned JW

compound complex, I think the phrase 'New World" in the title of the translation, has to do with the WT expectation (in the 1950s) of the great nearness of a paradise Earth in which righteous predominates, during a 1,000 year period of Christ reigning. Think of the NT verses about 'a New Heavens and a New Earth'.

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Olin Moyle's letter to Judge Rutherford

by GabeAthouse in

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olin moyle was an attorney who was invited to bethel headquarters back in the 1930's to assist with legal cases at that time.

he became disillusioned with the culture at the headquarters and penned the following letter of resignation.

rutherford replied with an outrageous article in the watchtower provoking moyle to sue.

Disillusioned JW

Hey blondie, earlier today (before I read your post) I also read the Questions from Readers segment in the WT 3/15/51 p.191 about religion. What an amazing coincidence! I came across it because I was looking for content in the 1950 and 1951 Watchtowers which might mention any pre-1951 NWT Edition changes to the original 1950 NWT Christian Greek Scriptures.

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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

Disillusioned JW

Hi blondie. Welcome back to making posts on this site.

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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

Disillusioned JW

Thanks dropoffyourkeylee.

I notice that the 1950 and 1951 Christian Greek Scriptures have a cross reference to Luke 12:42. In both editions Luke 12:42 says "Who really is a faithful steward, a discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?" Note that is says "a faithful" instead of 'the faithful". Perhaps objavitelj and the governing body member (Gerrit Lösch) have the pre-1961 NWT translation of Luke 12:42 crossed in their minds with that of Matthew 24:45. In contrast the NWT of 1961 (as as well as of 1970, 1971, 1981, and 1984) at Luke 12:42 says "the faithful steward, the discreet one".

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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

Disillusioned JW

The WT sometimes make changes in the wording of some of their publications, without stating that any changes were made. Such has been demonstrated. If darkspilver's and dropoffyourkeylee's copy of the First Edition is in fact not the first printing (or at least the original edition) of the First Edition, then it is possible that the first printing of the First Edition did not have 'the' in the verse at Matt 24:45.

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Completing the Scan of All WT Publications - Bibles List

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i am working with paul grundy from jwfacts and with the administrator of avoidjw.org, and they are ok with me doing the work that i am doing right now, which is to try and complete, as much as possible, the availability of everything the wt has ever published, in pdf format.therefore, i will start listing in this thread what i have not been able to find anywhere online.

please let me know where i can find the pdf's for the following:(now, i know that there are multiple versions of these and that there are some that seem the same but they are not.

i am looking for the wt published versions of these publications.

Disillusioned JW

I now have confirmation of the accuracy of the following which I said in my prior post. "But at one time I saw (and I think I once owned) a 1950 edition which did not have that content about 1 John 5:7, 8 in the Appendix. I thus think there were two 1950 editions." Note that by that I mean two editions (the latter being a minor revision of the original First Edition, and that that revision of the First Edition did not likely state itself as a revision) before the edition of 1950 which states itself as the "Second Edition". The confirmation is as follows.

The WT Library CD-ROM of 1999 says the following in the November 15, 1950 issue of the WT in the section called "Addenda On 1 John 5:7, 8".

'CUT THIS OUT AND PASTE IT

in your copy of the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures in the blank space on page 786:

ADDENDA ON 1JOHN 5:7, 8:

Since release of the New World Translation on August 2, 1950, at the international assembly of Jehovah's witnesses at Yankee Stadium, New York city, there has been widely published religious criticism over its rendering of 1 John 5:7, 8. Therefore we append the following as a suitable footnote to those verses appearing on page 700:

1 John 5:7, 8: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."

This rendering is according to the Greek texts by Westcott and Hort (1881) and by D. Eberhard Nestle (18th edition of 1948) and by José María Bover, S.J. (1943) and by Augustinus Merk, S.J. (6th edition of 1948).

After "witness bearers" the cursive Manuscripts No. 61 (of 15th or 16th century) and No. 629 (in Latin and Greek, of 14th to 15th century) and Vg C.S add the words: "In heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three witness bearers on earth." But these words are omitted by ... MSS. and the Latin New Testament according to the edition of St. Jerome, by Wordsworth and White, edition of 1911.'

[My quote includes "..." because I was unable to copy and paste certain characters of the source onto this website.]

dropoffyourkeylee, does your copy of the First Edition include content about 1 John 5:7, 8 on page 786? If it does then it is not the original edition of the First Edition, but an revision/edit of it (in which your copy does not declare itself to be a revision/edit).

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Isn’t JW’s teaching of “the abomination that causes desolation” wrong?

by Abraham1 in

what “the abomination that causes desolation” mentioned in mathew 24:15 means could be understood only by close followers of jesus because it was part of his personal discussion with them.

by stopping to greet those whom they consider as “their enemies” jws are identifying themselves as “pagans,” according to jesus.

(mathew 5:43-48) thus they cannot correctly understand what the abomination that causes desolation” that would appear as part of signs of “last days.”.

Disillusioned JW

I don't see how the expansion of NATO membership can be viewed as a "pushing" in a military sense, since that expansion is not a result of military conquest (despite NATO being a military alliance of countries). Instead it is a result of countries voluntarily joining NATO.

However Ukraine is clearly engaging in military pushing against Russia. For example, a news report says that Ukrainian forces managed to push back Vladimir Putin's invading army from the Ukrainian capital's outer edges.NATO is also engaging in pushing by supplying Ukraine with weapons to fight Russia, and by placing sanctions on Russia. But the expansion of NATO membership is not "pushing".

Abraham1, I don't think the WT thinks there will be a World War III between nations, since such a war would likely be a nuclear war which very likely would destroy all nations, and very likely all humans and virtually all kinds of life on planet Earth.

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Billions to die at Armageddon?

by BoogerMan in

not according to this verse:.

(mark 3:28, 29) truly i say to you that all things will be forgiven the sons of men, no matter what sins they commit and what blasphemies they speak.

but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit has no forgiveness forever but is guilty of everlasting sin.”.

Disillusioned JW

In other NT verses the forgiving of sins by Jesus is linked to Jesus healing people as a result. Verses 13 - 27 are about Jesus Jesus preaching and expelling demons, and about the apostles of Jesus obtaining the authority to expel demons.

Many religious people of the first century CE believed that having certain diseases and being demon possessed (being what people back then considered to be demon possessed) meant that the diseased (or evil spirit possessed) person must have committed a major sin. (For an example of this view, see John 9:2.) They believed that many diseases (and some cases even what were thought of as people becoming possessed by an evil or unclean spirit) were due to YHWH/God punishing people for their sins. They also believed that people committing certain kinds of sins would result in Satan possessing people (or in Satan sending a demon to possess people). As a result, people having such views believed that if God forgived (forgave) people of such underlying sins, then by means of God (and possibly through a human servant of god) the health problem and/or evil spirit possession would go away.

To me Mark 3:28, 29 is saying that Jewish worshipers of YHWH/God, and perhaps even all people, - except for those who blaspheme the holy spirit, can have their sins forgiven. Thus to me those verses are not saying that only the 144,000 (whether a literal or symbolic number of anointed ones of God) can have their sins forgiven. This idea (at least for those having faith in Jesus) is also expressed in John 3:16 - 17. However I think that according to Mark 3:13 - 30 Jesus and his fellow anointed ones (at least Jesus and his apostles) have authority to forgive sins and to heal people.

Verses 22 - 27 and 30 make the point that when one attributes an obvious work of the holy spirit (such as the expelling of demons) [according to the gospel of Mark], to Satan (Beelzebub) and says that the human being (whether Jesus or his apostles or his other disciples) used to expel the demons has an unclean spirit, then one is blaspheming the holy spirit.

In contrast no one of the governing body of the JWs, despite claiming to be of the anointed, claims to have the gift of the spirit (such as the power to perform exorcisms) or heal people's bodies by supernatural means). Furthermore there is no evidence at all of any of the WT's/JW's governing body members ever having gifts of the holy spirit. As a result, criticizing the governing body (even attributing evil to them), from a biblical standpoint does not amount to blaspheming the holy spirit.